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Julio Sacchi wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:20 am Das sind die Szenen, mit denen die TV-Fassung gestreckt wurde. Die sagenumwobenen Brutalo-Sequenzen sind wohl für immer verschollen bzw. werden nie exhumiert.

Finde den schon geil. Mehr 80s geht nicht (außer Rocky 4 vielleicht). Aber dumm wie Holz isser!
Ah, die Geschichte kannte ich noch nicht.
Passt aber auch so.
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Julio Sacchi wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:20 am Das sind die Szenen, mit denen die TV-Fassung gestreckt wurde. Die sagenumwobenen Brutalo-Sequenzen sind wohl für immer verschollen bzw. werden nie exhumiert.

Finde den schon geil. Mehr 80s geht nicht (außer Rocky 4 vielleicht). Aber dumm wie Holz isser!
Am Wochenende auch wieder geschaut. Bekam das Mediabook von Plaion. Das neue Bildmaster ist deutlich besser, aber auch immer noch nicht perfekt.

Weiß jemand mehr über die Brutalo-Sequenzen?? Man merkt ja dem Film deutlich an, dass dieser ordentlich entschärft wurde. Fast jeder Mord passiert im Off oder wirkt abrupt abgebrochen.

Film natürlich GEIL. Haue ebenfalls 8,5 von 10 Bierständern raus.
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Der ist doch immer noch saubrutal?!

Workprint:
There are no opening credits and red color in the beginning, but opening montage is still shown.

Opening shootout is longer, lots of extra shots of customers are shown.

Extra dialogue scene between Cobra and Tony.

Extended dialogue scene between Cobra and Mexican low riders plus scene is edited differently, Cobra checks his mailbox, talks briefly to the old janitor and walks next to a woman walking her dog in the hall.

Scene where Nightslasher kills first victim has few extra shots of victim’s dead body, and entire scene is not shown in slow motion like in DVD version. Slow motion was probably added later when scene was cut since music is same in both versions.

After the first murder, small Asian kid brings a box in some police station, and when one of the cops asks him who gave it to him, kid says that it was some men outside. Same cop tells the kid to get himself one of the toys from some other box on the other side of the room. While he is checking the box that kid brought, cop sees blood dripping under the box. Then Nightslasher calls and tells the cop “Her hands are with you, her soul is in another world.” Cop tells some other cop to trace the call and then scene cuts to the morgue scene with Cobra and others.

Autopsy scene (where Cobra says that he wants to be involved in case) is extended with few extra shots and some more dialogue.

Second Nightslasher murder scene also has few extra shots of dead body, but due to the picture quality not much is seen actually.

Small extended bits with Cobra in his apartment, waiting for call from police chief and later he and Tony, his partner arrive on meeting with chief and Monte. “Skyline” track from official soundtrack is heard during this scene. This track is not anywhere in theatrical version.

There are couple of extra dialogue scenes with Ingrid and Dan (her photographer) right before her photo shoot.

“Angel Of The City” montage scene is extended. There are more scenes of Cobra and Tony walking around the city and several shots of gang members at their day jobs.

Dan’s death scene is extended. He is hit more times with axe.

Guy with glasses during parking garage attack is also hit more times with axe. It appears that final hit gets him in the head while he is on ground, although his death scene is more implied than shown.

Conversation between Nightslasher and Stalk where she tells him how Cobra is after them and that he is “very dangerous”, but Slasher simply says that they will take care of him. This deleted scene explains why did the gang attack Cobra at his place and how did they know where to find him.

There are few more small scenes in Nightslasher’s place where he is practicing with his knife. Part of this scene can be seen in one of the theatrical trailers.

Attack on Cobra’s place is longer and more violent. Sniper guy from the gang arrives in his car, gang member in the street looks at apartment and puts his mask on, two gang members are shown climbing up the stairs and cutting the light off while sniper guy is looking from his car. There is longer (only few seconds) death scene of first guy that gets shot, and right when he goes towards the stairs Cobra is attacked by third gang member (in DVD version he is last seen lying on ground). At the same time, sniper guy from the gang who was waiting for others in his car drives away after he saw other gang member falling from stairs when Cobra shot him. Cobra manages to defend himself and he kills last gang member with his bare hands. Scene is quite brutal, considering that you can see blood going from his mask. Also, music is same like in the DVD cut, but much louder.

While most of this scene is used in TV cut, death scene of final gang member is not shown.

Janitor’s death scene is longer, but only for about 2 or 3 seconds.

There is additional murder scene in hospital. Nightslasher stalks and kills same cop who was talking with nurse who also gets murdered by Slasher just minutes after. This deleted scene fixes continuity mistake from theatrical version of the movie in which same cop is seen talking with nurse and later he is no longer mentioned by other characters.

More shots of Cobra driving fast towards hospital.

Dialogue scene between Cobra and other cops is extended.

Car chase is longer, explosion of the first car on the road is longer, and Nightslashers car is first one that crashes in boat, and then Cobra’s car crashes while Nightslasher and sniper guy escape. You can actually see in theatrical version, right when Cobra’s car crashes into the boat, that he actually crashes into the Nightslasher’s car. Also, Cobra and Ingrid are walking away from crashed cars little longer until they stop.

Second dialogue scene between Cobra and other cops is also extended.

Gang members perform some strange ritual before they start to follow Cobra and others. Ritual ends with some of them breaking the mirror with their weapons. One of the trailers for the movie (one with “Feel The Heat” song playing in the background) actually shows small part of this scene and couple parts of the other deleted scene where Nightslasher practices with his knife.

“Feel The Heat” montage scene is longer with extra dialogue between Cobra and Ingrid.

There is some extended dialogue scenes between Stalk and Gonzales.

There are lot more shots of gang members following Cobra and others, also this part of the workprint is edited differently than the theatrical cut.

Town attack scene is much longer and gorier with many additional murder scenes. One scene that is worth mentioning is when motel owner is watching Hitchcock’s DIAL M FOR MURDER and in the scene where Swann starts to strangle Margot, motel owner gets strangled with barb wire.

During the motel shootout and pick-up truck chase more explicit close-ups of bullet hits and holes are shown, plus several more gang members are shot by Cobra. Uncut version of this scene is actually more accurate than theatrical version where lot of continuity mistakes are present due to the cuts.

Pick-up truck chase and shootout scene is also longer. Theatrical version of this scene has some continuity mistakes due to the cuts made either by studio or MPAA. Notice broken window on the left side of the pick-up: there was a small part cut where one of the bikers smashes the window with meat cleaver. One TV trailer shows this scene.

Factory shootout has additional action scene where Cobra is running through the orchard while being shot at by sniper. Two scenes where gang members are burning alive are little longer. Nightslasher’s death scene has several close-ups of his wound intercut with Cobra pushing him onto the hook and also while he is burning he screams. It’s possible that this scene was cut because it was too intense or too real looking.

Extended ending where Cobra and Ingrid exchange few words with three cops armed with shotguns. Later when they both get on motorbike they ride through the locations where chase and shootout took place.

Final credits are not shown in the ending of the workprint.

Ending music in the workprint is Sylvester Levay’s “Skyline” from original soundtrack release. It’s possible that when scene was cut for theatrical release original music didn’t fit well, or somebody, maybe even Stallone himself, wanted for movie to end with song “Voice Of America’s Sons” that was used for music video about the movie.
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metalsteak80 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:52 am
Julio Sacchi wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:20 am Das sind die Szenen, mit denen die TV-Fassung gestreckt wurde. Die sagenumwobenen Brutalo-Sequenzen sind wohl für immer verschollen bzw. werden nie exhumiert.

Finde den schon geil. Mehr 80s geht nicht (außer Rocky 4 vielleicht). Aber dumm wie Holz isser!
Am Wochenende auch wieder geschaut. Bekam das Mediabook von Plaion. Das neue Bildmaster ist deutlich besser, aber auch immer noch nicht perfekt.

Weiß jemand mehr über die Brutalo-Sequenzen?? Man merkt ja dem Film deutlich an, dass dieser ordentlich entschärft wurde. Fast jeder Mord passiert im Off oder wirkt abrupt abgebrochen.

Film natürlich GEIL. Haue ebenfalls 8,5 von 10 Bierständern raus.
Ah, dann bleib ich bei meiner Blu. Hab auf Sky geguckt. Das wird wahrscheinlich das Plaion-Master gewesen sein. War gut aber nicht perfekt.

Bei dem Polizisten hab ich gedacht der ist halt davongedackelt. So wie bei dem Feueralarm auf einmal ein Haufen Ärzte und Patienten auf dem Gang zu sehen sind.
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Ich habe 'ne 3,50-Euro-Fuffzich-BD aus England. Die reicht mir. Könnte ich aber auch bald mal wieder schauen. Wenn die Workprints nicht immer so 'ne bescheuerte Qualität hätten ...
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Da der Gewaltpegel in den letzten Jahren gerade bei Actionfilmen deutlich gestiegen ist, bin ich wohl mittlerweile etwas abgestumpft :mrgreen: Finde ihn recht hart, aber nicht saubrutal. Richtig derbe ist eigentlich nur der finale Kill. Aber der Film funktioniert auch ohne ausufernde Gewalt.

Danke auch mal für die Auflistung. Wer bereits eine BD besitzt, kann sich den Kauf der neuen Scheibe sparen.
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Steak hat recht. Der ist hart aber nicht saubrutal. Manchmal wundert man sich warum ein Opfer auf einmal tot ist.
Zudem sind die Filme viel viel härter geworden und die Einstufungen lächerlich (siehe Equalizer 3).
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Ja schon, aber bei COBRA kommt noch dazu, dass Sly Richter und Henker in einer Person spielt. Das sieht man bei der FSK nicht so gerne.

Ich finde den schon recht brutal. Ist im Actionfilm doch auch selten, dass es gegen eine Gang von axtschwingenden Psychopathen geht!
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Ja, da wird auch dem Reporter, der Kritik äußert direkt über den Mund gefahren. Der wird dann auch auf die Leiche geschubst.
Zum Schluss spielt ja der Psycho auch damit und besiegelt damit sein Todesurteil :shock:

Die Psychos sind auch überall und überfallen selbst ein Dorf. Wie viele sind das überhaupt :lol:
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Damals fand ich doof, dass der Film so gaga ist. Heute mag ich das!
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Dito :mrgreen:
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:shock:
Es gibt nen DC?
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Noch nie gehört. Wurde das Bild am 01. April veröffentlicht? :D
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Ne hab ich heute als Werbung bekommen.
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Hieß Sly's COBRA hierzulande nicht "Die City Cobra"? Und kurz darauf kam von Schwarzenegger "Der City Hai" raus? Kann mich nur noch an die Plakate/Cover erinnern, müsste beide mal wieder auffrischen..
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